- All right, so the budget is gonna decide what you can do with this next question. So I'd kinda like to talk through three different levels of cameras. So you can go from like maybe, somebody can figure out where they are right now and then take the next step forward, whatever that is. So let's start with the most inexpensive camera set up the churches can use to live stream. What would you recommend?

- You know the world of cameras, right? Like, you can spend five grand on one camera, 20 grand on one camera, 50 grand on one camera. So to me, inexpensive is $1000, like under a $1000 for a body and a lens set up. Does that sound right?

- Yeah.

- Is that inexpensive enough? Okay, cause this is what I'm recommending for kind of our beginner live stream set up that we have, like the video I made on my YouTube channel on the course, the Sony A6400 is kinda my favorite go-to recommendation. It's a mirrorless camera that has a APS-C sensor in it. So it's a larger sensor. It's the camera I'm using right now. That's this one. I'm looking right at it. So you guys can see for yourself. Like, I think it looks pretty good, you know, like it's-

- [Interviewer] Yeah, it does look good.

- Yeah. So the lens on it right now, it's a nicer, it's a SIGMA 16mm lens F1.4. So that's why, you know, I've got the nice like blurry background and stuff. But this setup, okay, so I think that camera with this nicer lens was probably 1200 bucks, but you can get some less expensive lenses that are like two to 300 bucks a piece. And it puts you right around a thousand to 1100, I think when all of a sudden it done. So I would always lean more towards the cameras that have, like what's the biggest sensor you can get for your dollar. And if you can get APS-C sensor type or a Micro 4/3, probably at the smallest and then anything bigger, like the Canon C200 have super 35 millimeter sensors, then you can get full frame sensors on some of the nicer, higher end cameras out there. But the Sony a6400, that's why I think it's a great starting point. And then there's so many great lens. They have a huge variety of lenses. You can get higher end lenses. You can get some budget friendly ones. You can get one that can zoom in plenty far enough for like a nice close follow cam. Yeah, I think that's my first recommendation.

- So let's say somebody's in the situation you just talked about with the Sony camera and they're ready to take the next step. What is that?

- Then the next step I would look at the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K That's gonna be, I think, the best bang for your buck for really just a video only camera that has high dynamic range. It has a super 35 millimeter sensor. So you've just got a bigger sensor and now you can start using Canon EF glass on it. Really, it could be any EF Mount glass like SIGMA or whatever but I like Canon L glass, really sharp, really great images. That would be the next recommendation. And then you're looking at about $2,000 for the camera body. They just came out with a new Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K like a week ago. Maybe you could find some used ones for even better price now and then start finding some good lenses. So my recommendations for most, it kinda depends on the size of your church building and how long the throw is for your camera. But the 70 to 200 f/4 lens by Canon, it's like a really inexpensive, great lens. And I find with that particular setup, like if you're doing a follow cam, you don't really need the f/2.8 lower f-stop, like it's kinda overkill when you're zoomed in especially, like you're gonna get plenty of depth to that image when you're focused on your subject. So I found one of those lenses, you used for $700 which was a great deal. And then maybe for my other, if I had like a two camera setup, like I would have maybe a 24-105 that I could just kind of zoom in however I wanted to, depending on where I place it prime lenses, like a 50 millimeter or a 24 to 70 if someone's like walking around with a camera. So again, we've got so many great videos on my YouTube channel, like go to- That's what Bethel uses for the most part is a Blackmagic 6K. And you could see if you search Bethel, multi-camera setup, you'll probably find that on YouTube. And we go through each of their camera positions. So even though it's Bethel and they have a humongous reach, like they have actually a very modest camera gear that they've only recently started to do some updates, but yeah, that's my next recommendation. Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 6K. Start getting some Canon glass.

- Okay. So let's say that somebody has the money to upgrade like their primary camera to the Blackmagic, but they still have like the Sony a6400. Can they use that as like their secondary camera? And will they blend well together?

- Yeah, I think so. Yeah, you can. I think the selection of like, you can kind of select the different LUTs and creative styles on the cameras. You can adjust all those settings to easily get them match. Like we, at my last church, we used the Pocket 6K for our main follow camera and then we had two GH5 and I felt like I was able to match those to look really consistent.

- Cool. So is there a next level after the Blackmagic Pocket that you would recommend?

- Of course. There's,

- Always.

- Yeah, there's a lot of levels. So I think the next level there, I really like the look of the Canon C200. So those you're looking at a camera body being five, six, well, the price might've just come down 5,500 bucks for something like that. And the camera's been out for a couple of years now. Don't you have one of those kid?

- I have a C100.

- Okay. So the C200 has the 4k capability which is kind of overkill. C100 actually, I kind of forget about that camera. Like that could for a 10 ADP broadcast environment, could actually really work great. So, and I really like how the, you know, the Blackmagic has some decent LUTs. You can put on it, you can make your own LUTs. I really like when the Canon, the Rec709 LUT that you apply to the footage before it gets sent out to the camera, it just looks great. You don't really have to touch it at all. Just expose the image properly. And it's awesome. So I really like that. And you guys can look at Red Rocks Church. They are all C200 in their set up and something about the color, the dynamic range is really good. Cameras like that also have built-in ND filters, if you need them. The new Blackmagic 6K has ND filters built-in now, but there's something about the form factor of like a true, a big boy, send them a camera, like the C200. I just really like and I think it works great. And you can see it working well at a lot of churches. The other thing you could consider is the RED Komodo. So that's what the guys at Bethel recently upgraded to. It's a couple of those, not for all their cameras, but I think that camera's around also five to six K for the camera body. So similar price point and really good. Really good color science and technology there.

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